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Why Do Atheists Read the Religion Section?

(This piece originally ran on The Hufington Post in January of 2011. Although the tone of the article is “tongue in cheek”, it provoked some ire among the site’s readership then. Before you scroll on, realize that I was trying to have some fun, which is why I had comedians weigh in on the subject of “why atheists read the Religion section.” I’m actually the least judgmental – and the most lax – person when it comes to Theology. Also, at the time of publication, a rabbi who I interviewed for this piece had not yet embarked on some controversial campaigns that he would carry out in 2016-2018, activism that I do not condone in the least. It’s noteworthy that this was written when the concept of “Donald Trump as U.S. President” was completely unfathomable. With this intro and those disclaimers, you may now read on.)

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Cartoon by Elie Shmuel Hirschman, AKA “ESH”

Some of the most interesting people I’ve met are atheists. It’s no wonder; Psychologist Daniel Crosby, PhD pointed me to a recent Pew poll which found that atheists and agnostics score highest, compared to the religiously affiliated, on a measure of religious knowledge. After publishing my first Huffington Post article, numerous atheists posted comments to opine on the religious views I expressed (if the name hasn’t clued you in, I’m Jewish). While reading those comments, a friend asked “Why do atheists read the religion section?” In the same breath, that person said “Well, why the hell not!” Those ruminations inspired this piece.

I decided to open the floor to this discussion because the Religion section was looking a lot like Howard Stern. Let me explain: In the ‘97 biopic Private Parts, a researcher states that the average listener tunes in to Stern for just 15 minutes — and the answer most commonly given as to why?

“To see what he’ll say next.”

“But what about those who hate Stern?” asks “Pig Vomit,” Howard’s boss.

“Two and a half hours per day,” says the Researcher.

“What? How can that be?”

“To see what he’ll say next.”

In my opinion, Atheists want to be well-informed. They want to know what others are saying, and then what they’re saying next. They wish to keep up with all that they’re contesting, not to change their minds. Others who I’ve spoken with speculate that some self-professed atheists may actually be agnostics who are seeking answers to address internal doubts.

Bram Kleppner is a “a fifth-generation atheist” with iron-clad convictions. He reads religion articles because he’s always hoping small bits of sanity will insist on working their way into religious doctrine. “It was very heartening to hear the Pope suggest that condom use may be OK in certain circumstances,” he told me. He views the religion section as entertaining: “It’s fun watching grown, educated people tying themselves in knots trying to reconcile their beliefs to a world that demonstrates daily that those beliefs are false. I’m also looking for (and almost always find) positive reinforcement for my beliefs about our godless universe and the fact that there’s no afterlife.”

Tonight Show regular and comedian Elon Gold, who is performing his one-man show Half Jewish, Half Very Jewish, offered this perspective: “Just as believers sometimes doubt the existence of God, the Atheist will often doubt the non-existence of God! That’s why they’re always checking the religious section for breaking news. … ‘Has the Messiah come today? No? Oh good, I’m still right, it’s all BS!’ Who’s more worried about God’s existence than an atheist? Especially the atheist who lives a life of debauchery and sin — If there is a God, there’ll be no red carpet treatment for him in the afterlife. So he’s got to keep up with religious news. The consequences are enormous if he’s wrong!”

But as staunch atheist Bill Maher said in his documentary Religulous, “We need God to decide not to kill each other?”

Atheist comedian Frank King told me he reads the religion section in self defense: “Hardcore Christians tell me the Bible calls homosexuality ‘an abomination.’ What they fail to mention is that it’s only one of several HUNDRED abominations, including wearing clothes made of more than one material. Better send all those blends to Goodwill. When I point that out, they change gears and ask why I’m endorsing the gay agenda. Gays have an agenda? Ever watch Queer Eye for the Straight Guy? You can’t get 5 gay guys to agree on drapes, much less an agenda!”

Joking aside, I spoke with clergy members, theologians and psychologists who agreed with my thoughts about the atheist’s thirst for knowledge, the need to say abreast of what believers are saying.

“Deep down within every person is a yearning for belief in God,” explained Rabbi Yitzchak Rosenbaum, Associate Director of the National Jewish Outreach Program (NJOP). “Even avowed atheists may still be searching for a reason to believe and where better to find that (without going to church or synagogue) than on the religion page.”

When pastor and author Carol Howard Merritt started blogging for The Huffington Post, she initially read comments and responded to them, just as she does on her personal blog. While she maintains close friendships with atheists, she encountered what she refers to as “extreme atheism” while reading angry comments to her posts: “It felt like I was volunteering to put my hand in the meat grinder. I noticed quickly that I slacked off in my writing, and I began to lose my voice. You know, I’m smarter than Pavlov’s dogs, and if I get hurt every time I do something, then I stop doing it.”

But the pastor persevered and continues to write articles today. “It made me curious. I mean, there are a myriad of things that I don’t believe. I don’t believe in horoscopes, but I don’t feel compelled to hang out on horoscope sites and tell the readers how foolish they are. I decided I needed to get tougher.”

She had great things to say about Alex Wilhelm, an atheist who also blogs for the religion section of The Huffington Post, so I contacted him.

“I must admit that I read the religion section partially for a laugh,” Wilhelm wrote to me, “Why else? To keep an eye on things that I am wary of: anti-intellectualism, pseudo-science, lying to children, extremism, scriptural literalism, anti-blasphemy laws and the like. If you don’t know what you are up against, you can’t fight it as well as you could or should. I am for a free and secular society where the individual is protected from not just the majority, but from the moral laws of the religious. And so while I do read the oddest articles for a cheap chuckle, I tend to read to gird myself to protect individual liberty.”

Clinical psychologist David Sabine, Ph.D., first joked to me that atheists read the religion section for the same reason the CIA listens to Al Jazeera, but then he gave me the more professional response: “The late theologian Paul Tillich views atheism as a legitimate way to express one’s ‘ultimate concern.’ This refers to seeking answers to depth and mystery in life. Atheism, far from being faithless, is a powerful expression of some people’s view about ‘what it’s all about.’ So it makes sense for one with ‘ultimate concern’ to read the religion section and know how others are addressing the question, albeit in different ways.”

From a personal standpoint, I look forward to comments from those who challenge me. I look forward to answering questions and I’ll willingly admit there are some I can not answer. You could say there’s an agnostic in me — I don’t always know what to make of what I was taught. Of course, it is easier to welcome opposition when it’s delivered in a “with all due respect” tone.

Rabbi Shmuley Boteach (The Michael Jackson Tapes, Kosher Sex) says there are two kinds of atheists. One kind is what he refers to as “an atheist out of complacency; they can’t be bothered to believe in God and so are atheists out of convenience.” The second, he explains, is the professional atheist. Rabbi Boteach says that the latter “maintains a deep dislike for religion. ‘Professional atheism’ is far more about attacking religion than it is about non-belief in God. So they follow religion sections, obsess over them, joke about them, put them down and mock them.”

My feeling: anger does not discriminate. While some atheists read the religion section to keep current, some do so because religion incenses them and they feel the need to let people know. And that’s OK. Jews get angry, Christians get angry. Humans get angry. It’s an individual’s right.

If a priest, a rabbi, and an atheist walk into a bar, there’s no telling who will be the first to lose their cool (…or who’ll go on to pen the joke)!

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#MeToo and #TimesUp Because the Time Has Truly Come: An Overdue Assertion About American Filmmaker Woody Allen

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I’ll never watch another Woody Allen movie again.

I have a shameful secret though – I’ve enjoyed a handful of Woody Allen films over the last few  years. Previously, I separated his personal life from who he is as an artist. Let me say that I did so with an intense amount of inner shame. It prevented me from even disclosing to friends that I’d watched one of Woody’s movies. Well, that all stops immediately.

When I think about how many people ignored Hollywood film producer Harvey Weinstein’s victims and how the credence of their accounts was minimized, I’m reminded that Woody film fans are unwittingly doing the same by supporting Woody. Paying for his movies not only generates revenue for a specific film, but also creates a demand for future Woody projects.

I have never been sexually harassed in a way that was deeply scarring (upsetting? yes, greatly. Throughout the 1990s, I had several negative experiences in the workplace that I’ll never forget). I was never sexually abused or preyed upon. But that hasn’t stopped me one iota from thinking long and hard about Harvey Weinstein and Woody Allen. It’s impossible not to as a women and with all the #MeToo and #TimesUp coverage. On a seemingly unrelated note, I was privy to some intense social media hate and personalized, targeted harassment that sprung from my covering a TV show. That negative experience got me thinking more about the subject of victims.  When I sought help from others, truth sounded stranger than fiction and I panicked, thinking: this is really bad, but who believes me? Who would believe some stranger would really tweet out insane threats about me? Who would believe this resulted from my writing about a ridiculous TV show?!The idea of not sounding credible when something very real and incredibly frightening was happening made it even scarier.

I’ve discussed this before, but anyone who writes gets to encounter extreme personalities  on social media. There are people who get angered by very (seemingly) minor things. While I in no way compare myself to a Weinstein victim (I reiterate: I DO NOT compare myself to a Weinstein victim at all!), due to my recent experience, I did a lot of thinking about victims’ credibility (whether they are victims of abuse, harassment or cyber harassment).

Can you imagine the level of disgust, mortification and inner turmoil Harvey’s victims felt as they continued to see him produce movies, profit and thrive?

Going back to Woody Allen, he preyed on his ex wife’s underage adopted daughter…and yes, Woody and Soon-Yi allegedly ran off into the happily ever after…

There are people today who argue: “Well, Woody and Soon-Yi have been married a very long time now. She’s no longer underage today….” There are many justifications being made. But does Woody and Soon-Yi’s  “happily ever after” negate the extreme impropriety, the violation of a child, in the origins of their story?

The late esteemed American writer Gore Vidal once referred to this country as “The United States of Amnesia.” In the U.S., a filmmaker can be disgraced but eventually we forget because of the incredible work he has to offer….

No More. And I hope that #MeToo and #TimesUp change that about America.

A Hollywood insider recently speculated to me that he wouldn’t be surprised if Weinstein has a new movie by 2030. That is, IF Weinstein does not face criminal charges for actual rape. Whether the insider is off-base or not, it is sad that he can even state this thought and consider it a possibility. He says he sees Hollywood as completely corrupt and screwed up and I’m sensing that the #TimesUp movement will change that.

However, we see that A-listers continue working with Woody. He even has a new movie coming out soon. Who knows what could happen with Harvey if he avoids prison and if the protective and highly industrious Weinstein camp creates the effective sort of “spin”?

As of today, there is no way to know for certain what the film industry will be like by 2030, but until then…

I will not be watching another Woody Allen film.

 

 

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Interview with Elizabeth Vargas on an Extraordinary 20/20: Real Life “Wonder”

(This is an article that ran on The Huffington Post in November 2017. It is about an extraordinary episode of 20/20 that aired on ABC that month and is currently available On Demand or through the ABC app.)

If you are the parent of a middle school child, it’s quite possible your son or daughter has read the book Wonder by RJ Palacio. You also may have picked it up and perused it yourself, or even been thoroughly captivated from beginning to end and consumed every word. I belong to that latter category of parents. Thinking of the story now brings tears to my eyes.

Wonder, which begins with a quote from the Natalie Merchant hit song, is about a boy named August (Auggie) Pullman who is entering a new middle school. Auggie is nervous about starting Beecher Prep and it’s not due to the typical anxieties that kids face, but because he has a rare facial deformity called Treacher Collins Syndrome that affects one in 50,000 people. In this book, readers see how Auggie makes the adjustment after being home-schooled for years, how he considers the perspectives of his peers and how they respond to the novelty of him.

For nearly 3 years, 20/20 host Elizabeth Vargas followed Nathaniel Newman and his family. Nathaniel’s story bears an uncanny resemblance to the fictional one created by RJ Palacio in Wonder. On 20/20 this past November, Vargas reported on Nathaniel and his family’s story. Viewers got to see how he navigates everyday challenges, from the start of a new school to undergoing groundbreaking surgery. In addition to interviews with the Newmans, the special featured Nathaniel’s doctors, Wonder author RJ Palacio, actor Jacob Tremblay (star of the film adaptation of the book) and Jono Lancaster, a 33-year-old with Treacher Collins Syndrome. The episode culminated in a surprise from acclaimed singer Christina Aguilera, whose song Beautiful emboldened Nathaniel’s parents after his emotional birth.

Following is my conversation with 20/20 host and acclaimed ABC journalist Elizabeth Vargas:

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I read the book Wonder with one of my sons and it really is a story I recommend to others. I understand you spent three months with the Newman family. Had you also read Wonder and did you see a lot of similarities between Nathaniel’s family and Auggie’s family?

 

I read the book Wonder to both my boys when it first came out in 2012. We all absolutely loved it. So two years later, when my mom emailed me that a friend of hers was teaching the “real life Wonder boy” in her fifth grade class, I jumped on it. Once we began spending time with the Newman Family, the similarities between Nathaniel and the character in Wonder, Auggie Pullman, were so striking they were eerie. Both boys were born with severe facial differences, both were starting a brand new school and both had endured dozens of surgeries in their young lives. But even more astounding, the Newman Family felt a close personal connection to the song “Beautiful” sung by Christina Aguilera. The lyrics to that song are quoted in the book Wonder. The author of the book, RJ Palacio, had never met the Newmans, or heard of them before. Both she and the Newmans were astounded at the similarities between real life and art, in this case.

 

After Nathaniel was born, his parents became determined to recognize the beauty in their son after hearing Christina Aguilera’s Beautiful. Can you tell me about Christina’s participation with 20/20 in the making of this episode?

The song “Beautiful” means so much to the Newmans. The night after Nathaniel was born, (his parents) Russ and Magda were reeling with shock and grief, when, in their hospital room, the Grammy Awards started on TV. The show opened with Christina singing Beautiful, and hearing that song gave Russ and Magda the courage to make a pledge to see only the beauty in their newborn son, and to help the world see it, too. We called Christina and told her this story, and she agreed to invite the Newmans to her home for a very special performance of the song. Christina Aguilera had read the book to her children as well, and she was thrilled to hear her performance of that song meant so much to a family in crisis that night.
In the book Wonder (spoiler alert), Auggie comes to be accepted by his peers. Did Nathaniel’s experience parallel this at all? How has his experience been different?

 

Nathaniel and his dad send out a letter every year to his new classmates at school, introducing himself and explaining his condition, Treacher Collins. He also includes a photo of himself to help the kids feel less “shocked,” as Russ puts it, when they see him. But Nathaniel and his family say hands down, the single most powerful tool making life easier for Nathanial and other kids like him, is the book Wonder. That book has changed lives. The Newmans say without a doubt, Wonder has made the world a little kinder when Nathaniel walks through it.

 

I understand that you spoke to an adult with TC syndrome? Are the surgeries done for him or are there more ahead? Did he have a chance to meet Nathaniel? How does life with TC today compare to his childhood?

 

One of the most exciting parts of the hour for the Newmans was when they met a 33-year old man with Treacher Collins Syndrome from England. His name is Jono Lancaster and he is probably the most famous person out there with this condition. We flew to London to interview Jono. His Treacher Collins in not as severe as Nathaniel’s, but he had a really tough time of it, too. He told me the hardest years for him were his teenage years when the teasing from girls was especially painful. He thought he would never have any kind of romantic relationship, ever. We are happy to say that has not proven to be true. I interviewed his girlfriend, and she Skyped with the Newmans during Jono’s visit. I think Jono gave the Newmans real hope that Nathaniel could grow up and have a normal life, even with his condition.

 

Was there a real life inspiration for RJ Palacio’s Wonder? Can you give us some highlights/things to look forward to about her experience meeting Nathaniel?

 

RJ Palacio got the inspiration for the book after an incident at an ice cream shop. RJ was there with her young child, and when they sat down on a bench to eat their ice cream, she noticed a little girl with Treacher Collins sitting right next to her. At that moment, RJ’s young child also saw the girl and began to cry in fear. RJ says she rushed to gather her things and hurry away with her child, trying to spare the little girl from experiencing her own child’s frightened reaction. RJ says she realized when she got home that she had mishandled the situation, and instead of sparing the girl any pain, she may have made it worse. She set out then to write a book about a child who has to grow up in a world where people sometimes don’t know what to do or how to act around them. She says when she met Nathaniel Newman she thought, “It’s Auggie Pullman, come to life!”

 

20/20: WONDER BOY – A Story of Transformation” aired Friday, November 17 on ABC. You can now catch the episode On Demand or through the ABC app .

 

 

 

 

 

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Female Subservience Cult Disguised As Women’s Empowerment: 20/20 Investigates NXIVM

(Previously published in my Huffington Post archive)

In light of all the recent exposure and the Leah Remini series, have you thought about how Scientology sounds like a cult? I certainly have and that’s an understatement. Is it something you cannot get your head around? Have you wracked your brain as to why celebrity adherents seem immune to the “religion’s” bad press? Does it also seem that Scientology’s public portrayal and marketing videos contradict what’s been concluded through investigative reports? Well, there is a lesser-known group, a secretive and smaller one, called NXIVM (pronounced Nex-e-um like the acid reflux medication, “the purple pill) that has attracted its own followers. Much like Scientology, it fronts as one thing but in actuality may be something entirely different and much more sinister.

NXIVM claims to offer professional and self-fulfillment as well as women’s empowerment. Its own celebrity members are a smaller contingent than Scientology’s. Harrowing tales of being forcibly held down and branded are only the half of what is allegedly involved, as terrifying as those anecdotes alone do sound.

Headquartered in Albany, NY, NXIVM’s website makes it appear as a legitimate, privately-held professional development company that offers seminars. While that may be true, former members attest to so much more that goes on behind the scenes. NXIVM was formed by Keith Raniere in 1998. According to this October 17th New York Times article https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/17/nyregion/nxivm-women-branded-albany.htmlevout, (much like Scientology’s Sea Org members) the women of NXIVM’s DOS division have given up family, friends and careers to devote themselves to this group.

Last month, ABC’s 20/20 provided insight into this secretive group and its “master” Keith Raniere. Perhaps this moniker (in addition to “master”, Raniere is also called “Vanguard” within the group) is attributable to his alleged sexual domination over female adherents, and reported abuse. This includes having members brand his initials into their skin and enforcing starvation diets to achieve a desired physique.

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It has been widely reported in various outlets that former Smallville actress Allison Mack is second in command of NXIVM’s DOS sex cult.

From ABC’s Press Release Prior to Last Month’s Broadcast:

“20/20” investigates NXIVM, a self-proclaimed professional coaching company, and speaks with former members who are now coming forward claiming that while they derived some benefit from NXIVM classes, the experience also took a big toll on their lives. The hour also includes one former member’s claims that NXIVM is associated with a women’s secret society which she says is manipulative, promoting subservient behavior with slave and master terminology. She also says that she and other women were branded during their initiation into that secret society.

Keith Raniere, founder of NXIVM who claims to have an IQ of 240, has publicly stated that the secret society is not part of NXIVM and he is not associated with it. According to its website, NXIVM claims to “provide the basis and conditions for all people to explore and actualize their potential so that they can come to live purposeful lives.”

Anchor Elizabeth Vargas sits down with former NXIVM member Sarah Edmondson, who filed a New York Department of Health complaint about the alleged branding. Edmondson says she went to the initiation expecting to receive a tattoo and was surprised to learn that she and others were to be branded. She tells Elizabeth Vargas that the branding procedure, in which she and other women took turns holding each other’s legs while they received their brands with a cauterizing iron, was “horrific,” and she says she later realized that the brands contained Keith Raniere’s initials.

Vargas also sits down with Mark Vicente, a member for 12 years, and Toni Natalie, a former girlfriend of Raniere’s who knew him before he started NXIVM.

“20/20” also reports on Hollywood actors who are known NXIVM members, including Smallville’s Allison Mack and India Oxenberg, daughter of Dynasty actress Catherine Oxenberg. Vargas sits down with Catherine, who details her so far unsuccessful efforts to convince her daughter to leave the group. The hour also explores NXIVM’s litigation tactics against former members and critics.

This “20/20” aired Friday, December 15, 2017. You can watch the show weekly on Friday nights, 10:00-11:00 EST on ABC.  

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Children of the Cult: An Interview with Erin Martin of the ‘Pink Shade’ Podcast

Erin Martin loves reality television. And no…she doesn’t think it’s a stretch to cover that topic along with the subject of cults on a singular podcast.

“I find that people who are drawn to reality television are fascinated by true crime, the supernatural, as well as cults and the psychology and mentality behind them,” she says. “I’m inspired due to my own background since my parents left the Church of Bible Understanding (COBU) decades ago. Much of my fascination is from that personal connection, but I have found that reality TV viewers are also quite intrigued by cults.”

I’ve recently discovered that truth is truly stranger than fiction when it comes to both reality TV and cults (just peruse the recent articles in my Huffington Post archive). So I’m inclined to agree with Erin that the two subjects would interest the same audience.

Erin is a writer for the popular website Reality Tea which led to a regular gig dishing with Jenny McCarthy on the comedian’s Sirius XM show. Erin’s new podcast, Pink Shade with Erin Martin, is quickly gaining traction, attracting new listeners each week. In those podcast episodes, Erin not only delves into guilty pleasures such as Bravo’s Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and TLC’s 90 Day Fiance, but has explored the subject of ghosts and featured an interview with a former COBU member who wrote about his experience. “I’m looking forward to exploring other cults and subcultures,” she shares.

Below is more of my conversation with Erin. We discussed how escaping a cult shaped her life during her formative years, how it affected other children whose parents were COBU members, and its lasting impact on her life today.

Why Her Parents Joined the Church of Bible Understanding (COBU)

My dad was born in Fort Knox, Kentucky and my mom came from New England. They were both raised very far apart, in different states and in such different manners. My dad was raised by a series of relatives because his parents were not capable of taking care of him. He had a very bounced-around type of childhood and dropped out of school at 16. My mom grew up in a more ‘Mad Man style’, really tight-knit, solid family in Pennsylvania.

However, she always felt like an outcast in her own family, a flower child rejecting some of what she had grown up hearing. My parents were both searchers and they found themselves attracted to a group that was then called the Forever Family. This was in the early 1970s. My mom was looking for a sense of family, the like-minded people she didn’t have among friends and family. Neither of my parents were into the ‘free love’ and drugs. My dad was understandably seeking meaning in his life too. The group started in Allentown, PA and then branched out to other regions, including Baltimore, New York, New Jersey…

The Eccentric and Inexplicably Dynamic Leader Stewart Tanner Traill: “Get Smart, Get Saved”

My parents started going to meetings that went on for hours. It was like a church where all these young people in their 20s were riveted to what a man in his 40s was saying. This was the leader Stewart Traill who was about twice my parents’ age.  It would be like you and I going around and telling high school students we have all the answers. Stewart struck while the iron was hot in the 1970s. He knew that people were giving up on the old way of life and searching for answers and meaning. Stewart encouraged communal living and giving up earthly possessions, citing the biblical passage about the disciples: ‘Give up your worldly goods and follow me.’ Though instead of ‘follow God’, Stewart was essentially saying: ‘Follow me, Stewart.’

Stewart looked very militaristic in the same uniform worn day after day. He idolized Albert Einstein and thought he was as smart as that. He therefore wanted to base the COBU on logic and reason, not the soft beliefs of ‘lazy Christians.’ This was a coup against the Christianity he grew up with as the son of a Baptist minister. He himself was probably rebelling against his family. Stewart was obsessed with the concept of color coding systems (a method of how to examine and interpret biblical verses) as well as public shaming and humiliation so he could exert control as leader.

He had people slave away in his carpet business. The show Seinfeld actually spoofed the COBU in an episode about the ‘Sunshine Carpet Business.’ George says ‘Am I not good enough for a cult?’ and it’s really humorous, but that’s based on reality!

Manhattan, a Mecca for Cult Members?

I was born in 1974 and my parents had married in ’73. They were in the COBU from ’72 to ’77 and my earliest memories are of us living in a Manhattan loft in the Bowery district. The COBU meeting space was on Bleecker Street. Today, as you know, it’s a very different downtown NYC that’s been totally gentrified. We actually lived two doors down from The Village Voice and they would dump buckets of water on the heads of COBU members who went to witness to them.

My mom ended up running one of the COBU houses which women were in charge of while the men worked 17 hours a day – for about 10 dollars per week or so. They would witness to people and then attend meetings at night for hours.

A Cult Leader’s Tactics

Stewart would speak and the men got yelled at if they fell asleep. Stewart would then sleep during the day. At those meetings, he would rant on about how the followers had to understand things:  ‘Come let us reason together and understand what this is about.’ There was an emphasis on Sin and Condemnation. His belief system was that everyone is bad and nobody deserves to be saved – unless they give up their possessions and live in this manner to be godly.

There was a stress on being super-humble even though he himself was not. It was all essentially a scheme for everybody to give Stewart their money.

He would say that this money was being put towards missions in Haiti, but a lot of that money went into his own pocket and he used it for flying lessons and private planes.

The Mission to Haiti

My mom went on the second mission (that Stewart arranged). Although Stewart had grand plans for a mission to the Soviet Union and said he hoped to stop communism, Haiti was the most lax at that time in terms of rules and regulations, so he settled on Haiti.

Around the time my mother was completing that mission, my parents both saw the light about the COBU cult. In ’77, there was a mass exodus. Original members and many of the people I grew up knowing left the cult at that time. The COBU was fine with people getting married and having kids back then, but later on Stewart would actually discourage members from getting married and having a family since they’d be more likely to leave.

Exodus and Embarassment

Although, my family was part of this COBU mass exodus, no one talked to anybody about leaving beforehand. You just left on your own. There was a great deal of shame because you had your own family – for instance, my mom’s parents – already questioning the decision to belong to the COBU. So you’re not telling your family everything that’s going on because it starts to sound unbelievable.

My dad had the luxury of not having family and said ‘we’ve got to get out of this.’ Once he had a real family – my mom, me and my mom’s supportive parents – he felt confident about leaving.

That Time Stewart Traill Mocked a Minster: A Turning Point for Erin’s Mom

The real turning point for my mom was when she saw how Stewart interacted with a local Haitian minister and how terribly controlling Stewart was. My mom loved the missionary work itself and helping children out, but her eyes were opened one day when they were all sitting at a dinner table. The local Haitian minister came over and asked about a collaboration with Stewart and the COBU members…to help the poor in his community. Stewart humiliated him at the dinner table and told him he was a false prophet.

Stewart had a certain maniacal behavior and would make people feel like they weren’t real Christians. When my mom saw how he humiliated this minister was and how Stewart’s behavior had made everyone uncomfortable, she thought ‘I’m done.’

The Women of COBU Vs. The Men of COBU in the 1970s

While my mom was in Haiti, my dad stayed with my mom’s parents and left me in the care of the COBU women. I only have good memories. The women were very young, sweet and really into kids. On the other hand, from what I’ve come to understand, many of the men were lost, broken and somewhat weird.

My mom was in Haiti for a month and my dad said to my grandparents ‘When she gets back, we’re leaving.’ My parents didn’t own a pan, pot or anything. In recent years, my mom didn’t fully understand – when I had my own baby – the concept of not having a community around to help. She had 50 women around her to help her out. That is a lot easier in some ways!

Community

With the support of the other women and the general sense of community, there are advantages to being in a cult and is the main reason why people stay. Also, when you’re in a cult, you’re not calling it a ‘cult.’

Where it goes wrong is when the leader is domineering and expects his adherents to follow him to the ends of the earth. My parents did not enter into the COBU with this idea in mind. They joined because there was a structure that seemed appealing.

My dad came to pick me up from the COBU women who were caring for me while my mom was in Haiti and he let them know my mom would soon be returning…They wouldn’t give me to him! Perhaps it was because they knew he was thinking of leaving the COBU, though I can’t say for sure. I have no memory of this, but do know they had no legal right to do this. My grandparents were freaking out. As soon as my mom returned, she picked me up from the women’s care. After that, she and my dad got out of the COBU pretty fast!

“Monkey-Branching”

The hard part of transitioning out of any cult is that you are constantly looking to find your place, group, community, church, neighborhood…

I think with a  secular cult like NXIVM (which was the subject of a recent 20/20 episode), it’s not necessarily easier to transition out, but you’re not leaving a religious group and you don’t feel that sense of defying a religion. You’re not feeling a specific religious loss. Transitioning out of the COBU doesn’t mean transitioning out of being Christian and my parents wanted to remain Christian after leaving, but they needed to find new meaning within the religion and ways to interpret it.

“Searchers For Life”

My mom says the hardest part for them was grappling with the question of ‘what is the truth? ’They had studied the bible word for word, but as a family, we moved constantly growing up because my parents were always searching for something. We went to many different churches and I was in many different Christian schools because my parents were sort of always searching. Searchers for life.

Other Ex COBU Members

I grew up with many of the children whose parents had also left the COBU. Some of their parents had stopped going to church altogether, but some went to a regular Presbyterian church after. Most carried a sense of mistrust when it came to religion.

The kids I grew up knowing are not particularly religious today. I’m personally not a big fan of organized anything. There are hangovers from whatever one’s family story is.

Long Skirts and The Novelty of Grocery Shopping

Life after the COBU exodus was interesting. I was wearing the skirt that covered my knees because we were in that construct for a while. Since my parents were so young when they were part of the cult, they had to learn so many things as adults. My dad had to get his GED so he could go to work. My mom started learning simple things such as how to go to the grocery store herself. Basically, she had come from her parents’ house to the cult. My mom was all of a sudden this ‘stay at home mom’ all by herself.

Disenchantment

She also had to look for a church but didn’t want to tell people. There was that residual sense of embarrassment surrounding where she had come from. My mom eventually eased into more situations than my dad did. He was more disenchanted with all belief systems and with God.

They eventually divorced while I was in college.

Today

My mom never goes to church anymore. When I went to college and they got divorced, nobody showed up at a church again. I ended up in a public high school towards the end of my teen years, and thank God for that! It was a positive experience and led to my becoming a public teacher.

Today, my mom really believes in a higher power and she still does believe in Christianity. I myself believe in a higher power, but I’m not sure about the Christian stuff. It feels like a very private decision. My husband doesn’t have a sense of God because his family went through the motions and did things by rote…so he’s very separated from spirituality. My daughter is almost 8 and has never even been in a church. I’m very leery of belonging to any type of organized group

Thoughts on Cults Overall

You recently covered NXIVM for Huffington Post and wrote about the idea of powerful leaders, the charisma they have, and hold over people. In the case of NXIVM, the leader is Keith Raniere. Reportedly, the amount of reverence the women have for him has led to some becoming his sexual slaves. This is in accordance with his demands and how the DOS division of the NXIVM cult was established.

I think you can somewhat equate the hold Raniere has to the way people listen to the Pope dictate reproductive rights. When you think a man is standing between you and your salvation, they become godlike to you. You’ll do anything for them. They represent something you are looking for. There’s something broken in people and so they end up deifying these men.

This happened with Stewart too in later years. Stewart was on his second wife and fooled around with many younger women as he got older. He even built a secret door in his house to go to their chambers since he had his second wife Gayle’s helpers living with them. This was like something straight out of The Handmaid’s Tale. He ended up divorcing his wife and got custody of their kids through his manipulations and insane allegations. He also arranged for these men to go beat up his son with a board…just overall, he was a really nasty, nasty man!  Despite how awful he was though, he managed to get these young women to sleep with him time and again.

Stewart Traill is in His 80s, Living in a Sprawling Mansion in Southern Florida

Stewart Traill is still alive and lives in a compound in Southern Florida.

When Gayle married him, she was incredibly young and there’s a big age difference between them. As time went on, his eye began to wander to younger and younger women.

Years ago, he was reportedly driving on the wrong side of the road and he and Gayle were in a serious car accident. She became a vegetable for life. Although he was the one driving improperly, Stuart never admitted that the accident was his fault. There is a COBU member who dedicated her life to being her caretaker after that. Stewart declared himself divorced in God’s eyes because she could no longer perform her ‘wifely duties’.

Today, there are about 40 or 50 people living on Stewart’s compound, a skeletal crew, but they are the COBU members still hanging on.

To hear more of Erin Marin’s stories and to listen to her podcast, go to https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/pink-shade-with-erin-martin/id1318549651?mt=2 .

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